As I commented before , with over 30 years of experience I can absolutely testify that one can find a “ Heter “ Halachic dispensation for virtually ANYTHING . In fact in one of my companies I found pig gelatin with a hechchsher ( kosher certification) it’s based in an obscure “tshuvah “ from yes a recognised Halachic authority. However every single other Rav and Halachic authority in his generation disagreed strongly And in fact today we hold with Rav Moshe Feinstein that. Even products that become completely changed in nature , must originate from strictly kosher source and has to be Slaughtered properly . Not live cells from a living organism , ( Aver min Hachai ) but again they will twist even these words around and around if it gets then another check in their pocket . . The Bal Shem Hakadosh says show me any argument in Torah , and I will show the supernal abode in which it is true . That is why we need the direction of the Nasi and the Bais Din of his time that can see from above to bellow and knows exactly what is relevant to his generation . Our generation is a generation ( again in the words of the Bal Shem ) in which 90% of the Rah Banim are corrupt, and if one finds any falsehood or graft ( bribery ) in them at all , “know The Bal Shem tov says, that that ”Rabbi” draws his energy from impure powers and one should run away , distance themselves from him and Heaven forbid not follow ANYTHING he says . Instead with HaShems help , find the one true Rav that is genuinely connected to the one true Tsadick of the generation . But before we even go there , there is a clear Halacha that a Rav that does not speak out against those that seek to cause harm to his fellow Bothers and Sisters , can not be trusted to supervise Kosher and one can not eat from their meat or other products .
Excellent comment. Shuey sent me the following ruling from David Lau, Chief Erev Rav of Israel who previously suspended a judge for not taking the poison shot, regarding fake meat. If I understand it correctly, the crux of his argument in favor is that the cells they cull from the living being are not yet considered to be alive. Similar to how others argue that you can kill a pregnancy before a certain day because "it's merely water", which is a total distortion of the term as Chazal used it.
Thank you , Yasher Koach , Wow ! No limit to extent someone can Rachmana Litslan Prost... the Torah for political and Financail gain . Makes me just want to cry . I would.like to see what obscure Tshuavah he basis it on, that somehow extraction of body parts from a live creature is somehow permissible. But it doesn’t matter for the right price sadly they seem to be able to find anything . It’s all Min Hashamayim tho , unfortunately this sickening prostitution of Koshrus has been going on for a while now , the “Covid “ era truth serum is just exposing once and for all what they are all about , the full extent of the corruption , and how far they have deviated from the spirit of the law . I am beginning to understand why the Rebbe MHM was speaking so strongly about the necessity of Mitsvot BHidur in the days of Moshiach .
Just as a side point , if the cells weren’t viable enough . this entire experiment and process would not work . So obviously the cells are viable enough . which incidentally is why they can so easily become. Cancerous . That should be reason alone to “find” sources that unequivocally would lead to a pasak din , a ruling , that it is not kosher . Amazing there is no shortage of resources to find it not kosher , but somehow it is so critical to play around with the Torah to make it permissible? Why are they so eager to go along with this program that does away with the regular process of raising an animal and fulfilling all the Mitsvot of slaughtering it according to Torah law with the proper Bracha , and serving HaShem by checking all the signs of kosher? What’s next a lab made Parah Adumah ( Red Hefer ) ?
I've heard this attributed to Rav Kook. If that's the earliest source they have for this notion, it's not even worth discussing. Rav Kook can't come along and unilaterally cancel Tanach, Shas, and dozens of mitzvos because he has pity on animals.
If they want to make an ideal state, this is hardly the place to begin. I would suggest they start by getting rid of all the corruption.
As I commented before , with over 30 years of experience I can absolutely testify that one can find a “ Heter “ Halachic dispensation for virtually ANYTHING . In fact in one of my companies I found pig gelatin with a hechchsher ( kosher certification) it’s based in an obscure “tshuvah “ from yes a recognised Halachic authority. However every single other Rav and Halachic authority in his generation disagreed strongly And in fact today we hold with Rav Moshe Feinstein that. Even products that become completely changed in nature , must originate from strictly kosher source and has to be Slaughtered properly . Not live cells from a living organism , ( Aver min Hachai ) but again they will twist even these words around and around if it gets then another check in their pocket . . The Bal Shem Hakadosh says show me any argument in Torah , and I will show the supernal abode in which it is true . That is why we need the direction of the Nasi and the Bais Din of his time that can see from above to bellow and knows exactly what is relevant to his generation . Our generation is a generation ( again in the words of the Bal Shem ) in which 90% of the Rah Banim are corrupt, and if one finds any falsehood or graft ( bribery ) in them at all , “know The Bal Shem tov says, that that ”Rabbi” draws his energy from impure powers and one should run away , distance themselves from him and Heaven forbid not follow ANYTHING he says . Instead with HaShems help , find the one true Rav that is genuinely connected to the one true Tsadick of the generation . But before we even go there , there is a clear Halacha that a Rav that does not speak out against those that seek to cause harm to his fellow Bothers and Sisters , can not be trusted to supervise Kosher and one can not eat from their meat or other products .
Excellent comment. Shuey sent me the following ruling from David Lau, Chief Erev Rav of Israel who previously suspended a judge for not taking the poison shot, regarding fake meat. If I understand it correctly, the crux of his argument in favor is that the cells they cull from the living being are not yet considered to be alive. Similar to how others argue that you can kill a pregnancy before a certain day because "it's merely water", which is a total distortion of the term as Chazal used it.
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Thank you , Yasher Koach , Wow ! No limit to extent someone can Rachmana Litslan Prost... the Torah for political and Financail gain . Makes me just want to cry . I would.like to see what obscure Tshuavah he basis it on, that somehow extraction of body parts from a live creature is somehow permissible. But it doesn’t matter for the right price sadly they seem to be able to find anything . It’s all Min Hashamayim tho , unfortunately this sickening prostitution of Koshrus has been going on for a while now , the “Covid “ era truth serum is just exposing once and for all what they are all about , the full extent of the corruption , and how far they have deviated from the spirit of the law . I am beginning to understand why the Rebbe MHM was speaking so strongly about the necessity of Mitsvot BHidur in the days of Moshiach .
Just as a side point , if the cells weren’t viable enough . this entire experiment and process would not work . So obviously the cells are viable enough . which incidentally is why they can so easily become. Cancerous . That should be reason alone to “find” sources that unequivocally would lead to a pasak din , a ruling , that it is not kosher . Amazing there is no shortage of resources to find it not kosher , but somehow it is so critical to play around with the Torah to make it permissible? Why are they so eager to go along with this program that does away with the regular process of raising an animal and fulfilling all the Mitsvot of slaughtering it according to Torah law with the proper Bracha , and serving HaShem by checking all the signs of kosher? What’s next a lab made Parah Adumah ( Red Hefer ) ?
I've heard this attributed to Rav Kook. If that's the earliest source they have for this notion, it's not even worth discussing. Rav Kook can't come along and unilaterally cancel Tanach, Shas, and dozens of mitzvos because he has pity on animals.
If they want to make an ideal state, this is hardly the place to begin. I would suggest they start by getting rid of all the corruption.
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